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Please read the article below and answer the question: Did the Trojan War happen, or is it a myth? To get credit, you must make at least two direct references from the article.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/05/0514_040514_troy.html


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January 11, 2012 at 10:18 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Clare Bear
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The Trojan War did really happen, it wasn't just a myth. It did really happen because:                                                       - Eric Cline (historian and archaeoligist at the Geoge Washington University in Washington D.C.) said that, "The archaeological and textual evidence indicates that a Trojan War or Wars did really take place, and Homer chose to write about one or more of them by making it into a great ten-year-long saga. - Archaeologists have found arrowheads in the streets of believed to be Troy.         - The seventh oldest city at the site fits the description of a city under siege and destroyed by war in 1175 B.C.   

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January 12, 2012 at 4:34 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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the trojan war was fake, it was a myth even though the archeoligists have "some" evidence they dont have enough.  my evidence that it is false is The jewels that the archeologists found were a thousand years older than the time described in the homer epics.  Also the destroyance that was caused in the city of "troy 6" was caused by an earthquake.  Even though homer explained the trojan horse was a metaphor for posiden doing damage to the city by an earthquake gods like posiden and zues dont exsist in the real world they are myths.  And that is my theory and explanation on the trojan war.

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January 12, 2012 at 4:44 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Clare Bear
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KrazyKassie at January 12, 2012 at 4:44 PM

the trojan war was fake, it was a myth even though the archeoligists have "some" evidence they dont have enough.  my evidence that it is false is The jewels that the archeologists found were a thousand years older than the time described in the homer epics.  Also the destroyance that was caused in the city of "troy 6" was caused by an earthquake.  Even though homer explained the trojan horse was a metaphor for posiden doing damage to the city by an earthquake gods like posiden and zues dont exsist in the real world they are myths.  And that is my theory and explanation on the trojan war.

Kassie,                                                           I disagree because the Trojan War did really happen. The archaeologists found enough evidence to prove that it was real. Also, Homer could of been telling the real story, just not the time correctly because many stories do that. 

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January 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM Flag Quote & Reply

KrazyKassie
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Clare Bear at January 12, 2012 at 4:34 PM

The Trojan War did really happen, it wasn't just a myth. It did really happen because:                                                       - Eric Cline (historian and archaeoligist at the Geoge Washington University in Washington D.C.) said that, "The archaeological and textual evidence indicates that a Trojan War or Wars did really take place, and Homer chose to write about one or more of them by making it into a great ten-year-long saga. - Archaeologists have found arrowheads in the streets of believed to be Troy.         - The seventh oldest city at the site fits the description of a city under siege and destroyed by war in 1175 B.C.   

clare i do agree with what you wrote but i believe it to be false no one even knows if achilles or helen existsed we have no proof unless the war took place by the queen losing her husband and asking a man to find a younger son she can marry there is no evidence that the people in what is believed to be the trojan war existed.  i very much understand your description but to me the trojan war is still believed to be false.

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January 12, 2012 at 4:50 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Lydia Begag
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I think the Trojan War did not happen. The article even has its doubt, too:


"The poet Homer probably wrote the epic in the eighth or ninth century, B.C., several hundred years after the war is supposed to have taken place. Much of it is no doubt fantasy. There is, for example, no evidence that Achilles or even Helen existed. "

There MAYBE was a big war, but the details are WAAAYYY too outstreched. Homer probbaly did that to create effect.

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January 12, 2012 at 4:56 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Clare Bear at January 12, 2012 at 4:34 PM

The Trojan War did really happen, it wasn't just a myth. It did really happen because:                                                       - Eric Cline (historian and archaeoligist at the Geoge Washington University in Washington D.C.) said that, "The archaeological and textual evidence indicates that a Trojan War or Wars did really take place, and Homer chose to write about one or more of them by making it into a great ten-year-long saga. - Archaeologists have found arrowheads in the streets of believed to be Troy.         - The seventh oldest city at the site fits the description of a city under siege and destroyed by war in 1175 B.C.   

That's true, Clare, but the article also said there was too much fantasy.

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                         ɪƒ ƴσυ'ʀє αʟσηє,                           

ɪ'ʟʟ ɓє ƴσυʀ ѕɧα∂σѡ.

                       ɪƒ ƴσυ ѡαηт тσ cʀƴ,

 ɪ'ʟʟ ɓє ƴσυʀ ѕɧσυʟ∂єʀ.

                      ɪƒ ƴσυ ѡαηт α ɧυɢ,

ɪ'ʟʟ ɓє ƴσυʀ ρɪʟʟσѡ.

                    ɪƒ ƴσυ ηєє∂ тσ ɓє ɧαρρƴ,

ɪ'ʟʟ ɓє ƴσυʀ ѕɱɪʟє.

                 ɓυт αηƴтɪɱє ƴσυ ηєє∂ α ƒʀɪєη∂,

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January 12, 2012 at 4:57 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Lydia Begag
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KrazyKassie at January 12, 2012 at 4:44 PM

the trojan war was fake, it was a myth even though the archeoligists have "some" evidence they dont have enough.  my evidence that it is false is The jewels that the archeologists found were a thousand years older than the time described in the homer epics.  Also the destroyance that was caused in the city of "troy 6" was caused by an earthquake.  Even though homer explained the trojan horse was a metaphor for posiden doing damage to the city by an earthquake gods like posiden and zues dont exsist in the real world they are myths.  And that is my theory and explanation on the trojan war.

That is true, Kassie. There is no REAL evidence that it happened.

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                         ɪƒ ƴσυ'ʀє αʟσηє,                           

ɪ'ʟʟ ɓє ƴσυʀ ѕɧα∂σѡ.

                       ɪƒ ƴσυ ѡαηт тσ cʀƴ,

 ɪ'ʟʟ ɓє ƴσυʀ ѕɧσυʟ∂єʀ.

                      ɪƒ ƴσυ ѡαηт α ɧυɢ,

ɪ'ʟʟ ɓє ƴσυʀ ρɪʟʟσѡ.

                    ɪƒ ƴσυ ηєє∂ тσ ɓє ɧαρρƴ,

ɪ'ʟʟ ɓє ƴσυʀ ѕɱɪʟє.

                 ɓυт αηƴтɪɱє ƴσυ ηєє∂ α ƒʀɪєη∂,

ɪ'ʟʟ ʝυѕт ɓє ɱє.

That's what best friends are for.


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January 12, 2012 at 4:58 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Clare Bear
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KrazyKassie at January 12, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Clare Bear at January 12, 2012 at 4:34 PM

The Trojan War did really happen, it wasn't just a myth. It did really happen because:                                                       - Eric Cline (historian and archaeoligist at the Geoge Washington University in Washington D.C.) said that, "The archaeological and textual evidence indicates that a Trojan War or Wars did really take place, and Homer chose to write about one or more of them by making it into a great ten-year-long saga. - Archaeologists have found arrowheads in the streets of believed to be Troy.         - The seventh oldest city at the site fits the description of a city under siege and destroyed by war in 1175 B.C.   

clare i do agree with what you wrote but i believe it to be false no one even knows if achilles or helen existsed we have no proof unless the war took place by the queen losing her husband and asking a man to find a younger son she can marry there is no evidence that the people in what is believed to be the trojan war existed.  i very much understand your description but to me the trojan war is still believed to be false.

Thank you for agreeing with what I wrote. Homer could have just made up the character Achilles and Helen to make the book more interesting. 

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January 12, 2012 at 4:59 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Clare Bear
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Lydia Begag at January 12, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Clare Bear at January 12, 2012 at 4:34 PM

The Trojan War did really happen, it wasn't just a myth. It did really happen because:                                                       - Eric Cline (historian and archaeoligist at the Geoge Washington University in Washington D.C.) said that, "The archaeological and textual evidence indicates that a Trojan War or Wars did really take place, and Homer chose to write about one or more of them by making it into a great ten-year-long saga. - Archaeologists have found arrowheads in the streets of believed to be Troy.         - The seventh oldest city at the site fits the description of a city under siege and destroyed by war in 1175 B.C.   

That's true, Clare, but the article also said there was too much fantasy.

The article didn't say there was too much fantasy it said, "Much of it is no doubt fantasy." So, Homer could have twisted the real war around a little to make it more intersting to read.


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January 12, 2012 at 5:03 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Clare Bear
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Lydia Begag at January 12, 2012 at 4:56 PM

I think the Trojan War did not happen. The article even has its doubt, too:


"The poet Homer probably wrote the epic in the eighth or ninth century, B.C., several hundred years after the war is supposed to have taken place. Much of it is no doubt fantasy. There is, for example, no evidence that Achilles or even Helen existed. "

There MAYBE was a big war, but the details are WAAAYYY too outstreched. Homer probbaly did that to create effect.

I like how you said that MAYBE there was a war.

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January 12, 2012 at 5:04 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Tami
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Trojan war is fake:

1.)

The poet Homer probably wrote the epic in the eighth or ninth century, B.C., several hundred years after the war is supposed to have taken place. Much of it is no doubt fantasy. There is, for example, no evidence that Achilles or even Helen existed. - quote from the article.

2.) Eager to find the legendary treasures of Troy, Schliemann blasted his way down to the second city, where he found what he believed were the jewels that once belonged to Helen. As it turns out, the jewels were a thousand years older than the time described in Homer's epic. - quote from article

Also, I believe that Achilles didn't exist, because he should have been killed many times, but he didn't because he was dipped in a mythological river, and he would have been killed many times and he would have been killed the first time, so he couldn't win the war for the greeks.

January 12, 2012 at 5:58 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Tami
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KrazyKassie at January 12, 2012 at 4:44 PM

the trojan war was fake, it was a myth even though the archeoligists have "some" evidence they dont have enough.  my evidence that it is false is The jewels that the archeologists found were a thousand years older than the time described in the homer epics.  Also the destroyance that was caused in the city of "troy 6" was caused by an earthquake.  Even though homer explained the trojan horse was a metaphor for posiden doing damage to the city by an earthquake gods like posiden and zues dont exsist in the real world they are myths.  And that is my theory and explanation on the trojan war.

I agree with you, because the archaeologists don't have enough evidence, because they have no evidence that Helen or Achilles even existed. And Helen and Achilles were basically the main people in the Trojan war, so if you don't have evidence that they exist then you don't have much evidence that the war existed.

January 12, 2012 at 6:02 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Horseback rider Sasha
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I personaly think that the trojan war was fake

"The poet Homer probably wrote the epic in the eighth or ninth century, B.C., several hundred years after the war is supposed to have taken place. Much of it is no doubt fantasy. There is, for example, no evidence that Achilles or even Helen existed." Homer probably stretched out the details so the people who read it would be more intrested in the story plus i don't think there was enough evidence

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January 12, 2012 at 6:28 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Lilly
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I think the trojan war is a just a myth and it is actually fake.

~"The poet Homer probably wrote the epic in the eighth or ninth century, B.C., several hundred years after the war is supposed to have taken place. Much of it is no doubt fantasy. There is, for example, no evidence that Achilles or even Helen existed", that is a very good reason, because the story could of easily changed.

~"But most scholars agree that Troy itself was no imaginary Shangri-la but a real city", it could be a real city but it doesn't nessicarly mean that thhe Trojan war did exist.

~"Archaeologists who have been digging into the myth of Homer's poem believe the legendary war may have been a process rather than a single event," it could of been but it dosen't mean it happened like in the book it could of also be fake.

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January 12, 2012 at 6:38 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Clare Bear at January 12, 2012 at 4:34 PM

The Trojan War did really happen, it wasn't just a myth. It did really happen because:                                                       - Eric Cline (historian and archaeoligist at the Geoge Washington University in Washington D.C.) said that, "The archaeological and textual evidence indicates that a Trojan War or Wars did really take place, and Homer chose to write about one or more of them by making it into a great ten-year-long saga. - Archaeologists have found arrowheads in the streets of believed to be Troy.         - The seventh oldest city at the site fits the description of a city under siege and destroyed by war in 1175 B.C.   

I know, but it dosen't mean that its true because there is no physical proof. other than that it was good.

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January 12, 2012 at 6:41 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Lilly
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Tami at January 12, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Trojan war is fake:

1.)

The poet Homer probably wrote the epic in the eighth or ninth century, B.C., several hundred years after the war is supposed to have taken place. Much of it is no doubt fantasy. There is, for example, no evidence that Achilles or even Helen existed. - quote from the article.

2.) Eager to find the legendary treasures of Troy, Schliemann blasted his way down to the second city, where he found what he believed were the jewels that once belonged to Helen. As it turns out, the jewels were a thousand years older than the time described in Homer's epic. - quote from article

Also, I believe that Achilles didn't exist, because he should have been killed many times, but he didn't because he was dipped in a mythological river, and he would have been killed many times and he would have been killed the first time, so he couldn't win the war for the greeks.

Isn't your second reason a reason to think that the trojan war could of been true??The rest I agree with you.

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January 12, 2012 at 6:52 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Lilly
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Tami at January 12, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Trojan war is fake:

1.)

The poet Homer probably wrote the epic in the eighth or ninth century, B.C., several hundred years after the war is supposed to have taken place. Much of it is no doubt fantasy. There is, for example, no evidence that Achilles or even Helen existed. - quote from the article.

2.) Eager to find the legendary treasures of Troy, Schliemann blasted his way down to the second city, where he found what he believed were the jewels that once belonged to Helen. As it turns out, the jewels were a thousand years older than the time described in Homer's epic. - quote from article

Also, I believe that Achilles didn't exist, because he should have been killed many times, but he didn't because he was dipped in a mythological river, and he would have been killed many times and he would have been killed the first time, so he couldn't win the war for the greeks.

Isn't your second reason a reason to think that the trojan war could of been true??The rest I agree with you.

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January 12, 2012 at 6:52 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Tami
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Lilly at January 12, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Tami at January 12, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Trojan war is fake:

1.)

The poet Homer probably wrote the epic in the eighth or ninth century, B.C., several hundred years after the war is supposed to have taken place. Much of it is no doubt fantasy. There is, for example, no evidence that Achilles or even Helen existed. - quote from the article.

2.) Eager to find the legendary treasures of Troy, Schliemann blasted his way down to the second city, where he found what he believed were the jewels that once belonged to Helen. As it turns out, the jewels were a thousand years older than the time described in Homer's epic. - quote from article

Also, I believe that Achilles didn't exist, because he should have been killed many times, but he didn't because he was dipped in a mythological river, and he would have been killed many times and he would have been killed the first time, so he couldn't win the war for the greeks.

Isn't your second reason a reason to think that the trojan war could of been true??The rest I agree with you.

no, becuase the jewels were to old to be Helen's

January 12, 2012 at 6:59 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Mr Vital at January 11, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Please read the article below and answer the question: Did the Trojan War happen, or is it a myth? To get credit, you must make at least two direct references from the article.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/05/0514_040514_troy.html


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I think that there was a war, but it wasn't over a girl because in the article, it states,"There is, for example, no evidence that Achilles or even Helen existed." Also, I think that there was a war because in the text it also states, "The archaeological and textual evidence indicates that a Trojan war or wars took place." So, this proves that there was a war or multiple wars.

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